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Thorath Of Krosa · Mar 20, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I love the Warrior.....its been my favorite class since I could remember and ANet has killed it for me. Is it just me or are warriors becoming useless now (as far as PvE goes) Their sole purpose in the game was to tank and absorb damage so that their team mates could take less but ANet as changed aggro rules so that Warriors are the last thing considored!!!! They have high armor but so does a paragon which does more these days in PvE being able to buff at least. And if your looking for melee damage your better off with an assassin or dervish now. It would be nice if ANet gave Warriors something to gain/keep aggro like (and I HATE to say this) WoW (ewwww I said it) but aggro control is needed to keep warriors usefull imo.....

Well thats is for now.

Osi Ri S · Mar 20, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Warriors do MASSIVE damage, not only that but they have the highest AL, and tanking is still usefull in a few areas. (i know im gonna get alot of hate for this) just cus tanking isnt as mindless as it used to be doesnt mean its dead.

So basically, the war is a damage dealing machine with alot of AL, how is it dying?

Stormlord Alex · Mar 20, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Stop tanking. Go kill something.

Warriors still have the best constant DPS in the game, Dervs rely too much on enchantments and crits whilst 'sins are energy hungry.

If you want something else to do, go solo stuff... you still get to tank then. But for the most part, I can happily use Bull's Strike and Frenzy knowing that they'll be of use to me.

aB- · Mar 20, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Good. Now people will start using their warrior for its strong point, damage. Instead of loading up on 7 defensive skills warriors might start taking some damage skills and only one or two defensive skills.

DunedainJedi · Mar 20, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Warriors do DPS. You can give any target constant pressure.

Why in crap do you want to tank? Most of my builds are 1 self heal and 7 damage skills.

W/P pr P/W might make interesting tanks, worthless but interesting.

Kern Wolf · Mar 20, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

No way are warriors dead. I've played a W/E through all 3 campaigns, and have no problems getting into PUGs, or solo/henching my way through.

Wretchman Drake · Mar 20, 2007, 03:24 AM // 03:24

Warriors were the masters of melee back in the day, now they can't tank as well as Dervs (hell, I've seen ele/dervs tank ffs), Sins can just plain kill faster, etc.

I think what he was saying is that it seems Warriors are dead because there is no cookie cutter build for them now. They seem to be inferior as Hammer builds to RaO, BoA sins can just kill faster, etc.

I remember back when I could run a Warrior Ranger with Tigger's Fury and Axe skills to wipe someone out fast. Now it just doesn't compare to other builds. The only good Warrior build I see out in PvP lately is a Steady Stance warrior with Drunken/Desperate blow. Other than that, nobody has made popular use of them.

Lord Natural · Mar 20, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

I think what he was saying is that it seems Warriors are dead because there is no cookie cutter build for them now.

Warriors haven't been nerfed heavily nerfed, so most old builds are still effective. As far as constant DPS goes, they're still #1 imo, while having less conditional restraints than Dervs and Sins. Interrupt or divert a part of the sins combo and he's useless until the recharge. E-deny or strip a Derv and his usefulness is also reduced. Even with a skill disabled and 0 energy, a warrior can provide respectable pressure with the highest armor rating to boot.

PvP - Warriors aren't dead. People who think they are, probably haven't played one at a serious level.

PvE - Once people figure out that a warrior is more useful dealing damage than tanking, their popularity will increase (if it has even decreased)

Undressed · Mar 20, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

Warriors were the masters of melee back in the day, now they can't tank as well as Dervs (hell, I've seen ele/dervs tank ffs), Sins can just plain kill faster, etc.

I think what he was saying is that it seems Warriors are dead because there is no cookie cutter build for them now. They seem to be inferior as Hammer builds to RaO, BoA sins can just kill faster, etc.

I remember back when I could run a Warrior Ranger with Tigger's Fury and Axe skills to wipe someone out fast. Now it just doesn't compare to other builds. The only good Warrior build I see out in PvP lately is a Steady Stance warrior with Drunken/Desperate blow. Other than that, nobody has made popular use of them.

Warrior with Tiger's Fury? Tanking? Stop posting imo.

A warrior can overextend much better than any other offensive class, still is a fearsome dps machine without having to rely on enchantments or big energy pools like the Assassin or the Dervish. I wonder why I still see them play, not sure in which parallel universe you access your GW...

Evilsod · Mar 20, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

*casts Avatar of Lyssa*

The Warrior can't even come close anymore. The only way it has any hope of even approaching the chaos a Dervish can cause is with Triple Chop/Cyclone Axe. In PvE anyway, Assassins are still paper armour but can do alot of damage with teh right build. Avatar of Lyssa Derv's just tank through PvE like its nothing, specially since they can use Wild Blow so easily without having to worry about 'losing all adren'.

Tbh, thats where they went wrong... they balanced these skills for the primary warrior, giving him the penalty of losing all adren while a Dervish doesn't need to care, that and the Scythe is incredibly unbalanced. Wtf was the point in giving it the longest repeat swing of any melee weapon... then giving it 2 extremely spammable 3/4s attack skills?

Razorwood · Mar 20, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by Thorath Of Krosa

Their sole purpose in the game was to tank and absorb damage so that their team mates could take less but ANet as changed aggro rules so that Warriors are the last thing considored!!!!

Let me ask you this, what do you attack first the Warriors, or the monks and other spell casters?

bungusmaximus · Mar 20, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Why do people compare warriors to dervishes and sins? Theyre apples and oranges really. Especially sins have almost nothing in common with warriors. Warriors have a thick skull and they can pump out damage without using any skills at all. As for tanking, tanks are useless/dull/insertrandominsult IMO. I finished the entire nightfall campaign with a hammer warrior and I wasn't disappointed. Knocking down running healer NPC's is just sexy. When I played a warrior in any PvP arena I quickly found out that dervishes don't do much of their insane damage anymore when they are lying on their butt. IMO warriors aren't dead. Do people use them in either GvG or HA very much btw? wouldn't know that since I dont do those too much.

jrk247 · Mar 20, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Warriors are not dead...unless someone forgot to bring a rez.

But to the topic at hand, warriors are far from dead, the fact is that people don't play them in PvP anymore because they are busy using someone elses spike build to fame farm HA. You almost always need a warrior in PvE. And the reason most people like the OP think warriors are dead is because most of the GW veterans are either in PvP playing a different build or playing through other classes in PvE, because I know just about everyone's first character was a warrior. So all we are left with are the newbie warriors out there. Warriors in RA using meteor shower for example. I think warriors are still good and have lots of potential, just no one that wants to play them to their fullest. Most of the time in any PvP match the warrior is always considered the noob class. And it even happens in PvE because over 50% of the time the warrior in a PuG is a noob. But back to the topic, warriors are not dead I still play mine and I usually go through new campaigns with my warrior (my Derv is still on noob island and only level 10). But the warrior is most likely considered dead because all the new GW players look up builds on wiki or guru and play using that build, no one goes out and thinks of their own builds anymore. And PvP builds on wiki are outdated and have been shutdown by other classes. So IMO the warrior is somewhat dead in PvP atm but still live and kicking in PvE.

I Smite Joo · Mar 20, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by jrk247

But the warrior is most likely considered dead because all the new GW players look up builds on wiki or guru and play using that build, no one goes out and thinks of their own builds anymore.

I just posted a build here :P
Made it myself

clawofcrimson · Mar 20, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

'tanking' in mmos is incredibly stupid anyway...we've gotten used to stupid AI stacking up on defensive skills and just sitting there while mindless mobs bash on us....

the change of agro didnt come soon enough! being a warrior in GW is so much more fun than other 'tanking' mmos where you actually play the class in a more true way...

dont complain...warriors are far from dead

Raxxman · Mar 20, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Assassins are alright against squishys but fall short vs armoured foes.

Dervishes I haven't looked at a lot so I can't really comment.

But warriors have the best passive DPS (maybe not against a Derv) and the best passive tank (at least on par with a paragon). Can totally wipe the floor with a caster in a single skill combo if unstopped.

Playing PvP (Aspenwood is about all I do nowadays) I find that most 1v1s my warrior pounds nearly everyone. But in addition to that he's a useful runner and can pile out a fair amount of dps.

And as for PuGs, I don't do PuGs anymore, waste of space far as I'm concerned. Guildies, Henchies all the way.

My-way Ftw · Mar 20, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I generally as a warrior, am the one who starts teams. I prefer being the only melee in the team, because i find spellcasters help much more. My general job is to rush in first and take the brunt of the damage, then try to hold the enemy warriors at bay, while spellcasters in the team launch some nice met shower combos.

PvP, i find my warrior underpowered, only real build i've liked was my W/A with Steady Stance, Desp Blow, Drunk Blow, WY, Soldiers Strike, Shadowstep and some others. Still, when it comes to PvP, i grab my ssin, because he seems to have more spiking potential.

But, warriors are far from dead, they have many uses, incredibly high dps, nice tankability.

However, when playing another profession... i find warriors easy to shut down (PvP). Its pretty easy to just latch them with spikes and blind, as well as a couple of curses if i feel like it. Sure, they have high armour, but tbh... when you are blind + cripple + degen, they die eventually.

Just my input

clawofcrimson · Mar 20, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

warriors in RA, and AB are pitiful and easily shut down.. but in GVG when you have a balanced team (and anywhere else you can manage a balanced team. pve included) they are quite formidable.

Wretchman Drake · Mar 20, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Undressed

Warrior with Tiger's Fury? Tanking? Stop posting imo.

A warrior can overextend much better than any other offensive class, still is a fearsome dps machine without having to rely on enchantments or big energy pools like the Assassin or the Dervish. I wonder why I still see them play, not sure in which parallel universe you access your GW...

First off, let's check your join date. September. Like me. Except... a year later. I've played this game since June 2005 and that was a good build before Halloween 2005. So please, YOU stop posting if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Second, Assassins have energy problems? You obviously don't play one. A smart sin brings alot of crit attributes, that's one of the sin's trademarks compared to say a R/A. They just regain energy, sometimes as much as they spend.

Dervishes rely on enchantments but who strips them? At least in AB, RA, even TA. You people always claim enchants are a hassle? I'd like to see you doing something about removing them.

Don't even talk about HA please, because if you think HA/GvG are the only important forms of PvP, get a grip. Some guilds do hardcore TA and win 30 in a row, others cap AB, etc; everyone has their own taste in PvP, just because something works in a larger scale battle doesn't mean it will in a smaller, more compressed one.

It's obvious nobody uses Warriors in PvP for damage anymore, you claim they have the highest DPS, that's because their natural attacks deal more than the other classes. Even with some of the Warrior's skills they DO NOT compare to those of a BoA sin, or even something ridiculous like a Scythe wielding R/D.

Lykan · Mar 20, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Stop tanking. Go kill something.

This quote should be highlighted on the GW website in 3 inch high letters as a message to every warrior that thinks all they can do is "absorb damage".